NASA LENR Aircraft and Spaceplanes

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1. Thanks Greg.
   Of cause it is not peer reviewed. The peers refuse to review it. Notice the last speaker damning with faint praise?
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   Let us put this into the contemporary picture.
   The USA depends on the petro-dollar. Big oil wants to frac Europe. Russia enjoys a monopoly on gas.They can use it to bring Europe to heel.
   The USA and Russia are facing off over in the Ukraine. Against the USA and NATO are arraigned Russia, China and India. Where would Pakistan stand? (Drone strikes ring a bell?), South Africa, Brazil And anyone else who wants something other than “promises to pay” for their exports.
   Why has everyone got it in for the USA? They only want to bring democracy!
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   So is the USA going to risk WW3 to defend Big Oil? And in order to save Big Oil they are going to have to use Cold Fusion in the war or be thrashed. (Assuming it is winnable givent the Nukes.)
   And If they did they would doom Big Oil and the Petro-Dollar and the parasitic Banks, because they would not be able to ignore CF any more.
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   Checkmate.
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   1. The point is this technology works. It has advanced from the cutting edge research phase (unknown and unsure) into the engineering phase (we don’t know how we’re doing it yet we’re doing it) while quickly moving into the applied and advanced engineering phase; the latter in a compressed time frame following a well known knowledge (learning) logarithmic curve.
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      Commercialization and takeover by really cheap and dense clean energy…. is eminent.
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      Patents granted stand being proven, or lose to the test of time.
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      Mitsubishi LENR Patent Application – Filed 2001 Granted 2013
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      Nuclide Transmutation Device and Nuclide Transmutation Method
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      http://www.google.com/patents/EP1202290B1?cl=en&dq=Nuclide+transmutation+device+and+nuclide+transmutation+method+EP+1202290+B1&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vnQNU-KoEeHl2AXdpICICQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA
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      Iwamura, Y., T. Itoh, and M. Sakano Iwamura, Y., T. Itoh, and M. Sakano, 2002, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd.: U.S.A.
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      The present invention produces nuclide transmutation using a relatively small-scale device. The device that produces nuclide transmutation comprises a structure body that is substantially plate shaped and made of palladium (Pd) or palladium alloy, or another metal that absorbs hydrogen (for example, Ti) or an alloy thereof, and a material that undergoes nuclide transmutation laminated on one surface among the two surfaces of this structure body.
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      The one surface side of the structure body, for example, is a region in which the pressure of the deuterium is high due to pressure or electrolysis and the like, and the other surface side, for example, is a region in which the pressure of the deuterium is low due to vacuum exhausting and the like, and thereby, a flow of deuterium in the structure body is produced, and nuclide transmutation is carried out by a reaction between the deuterium and the material that undergoes nuclide transmutation.

2. I think piston engines require more maintenance than jet engines do but a Papp engine might be suitable for subsonic flight.

   https://coldfusionnow.org/heinz-klostermann-on-the-papp-engine-there-should-be-a-marshall-plan-to-support-this/

   https://coldfusionnow.org/plasma-engine-reproduced-now-optimizing-for-efficiency/

   1. PS
      I wonder if the Papp engine could be made more efficient if the cycle was carried out in a Wankel engine were the exhaust outlet is connected to the inlet by a pipe to make a closed system. http://www.animatedengines.com/wankel.html

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         Here is the original Papp engine demo. See how well he can control the speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKfYpVbDrOs I think I understand why it has no cooling system. It has a fixed amount gas (like a refrigerator). So after the initial spark that created some plasma the gas expands. As the gas expands and does mechanical work it must necessarily cool (an adiabatic expansion). I guess he controls the speed with the size of the spark. Maybe one of these toy Wankel engines could be modified to test the concept. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb_J-XrTbiY

         1. Better yet, Klostermann and Sanchez say that the Papp engine can work with just air (so it doesn’t have to be sealed). Maybe they could replace the spark pug that comes with the toy Wankel engine with the plasma forming electrode Klostermann talks about ~6:00 and see if it runs.
            https://coldfusionnow.org/heinz-klostermann-on-the-papp-engine-there-should-be-a-marshall-plan-to-support-this/

            1. This isn’t very likely but could this be happening when Klostermann and Sanchez use air:
               O(16) + O(16) > Si(28) + He(4) 9.59 MeV
               O(16) + O(17) > Si(29) + He(4) 13.92 MeV
               O(16) + O(18) > Si(30) + He(4) 16.49 MeV
               N(14) + N(14) > Mg(24) + He(4) 17.24 MeV
               N(14) + N(14) > Mg(24) + He(4) 17.24 MeV
               N(14) + N(15) > Mg(25) + He(4) 13.73 MeV

         2. PS
            It looks like the toy engine could be a Wankel Diesel engine (i.e. no spark plug). You’d have to modify a regular Wankel engine.

            1. The Papp engine is dead and buried. It has been proven that there is no net energy gain from the expansion of inert gases no matter what the combination.
               Papp has no place in a world of proven science. This is about LENR…

               1. Should I believe you or Michael McKubre?

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS1MsymF8hc

                  Maybe it is LENR.

                  Ar(40) + Ne(20) > He(4) + Fe(56) + 16.0943 MeV
                  Kr(80) + Ar(40) > Fe(56) + Ni(64) + 14.8 MeV
                  Xe(128) + Ar(40) > Fe(58) + Pd(110) + 25.6 Me
                  Ne(20) + Ne(22) > He(4) + Ar(38) + 17.2 MeV
                  Et cetera…

               2. A must read for a clear perspective on the issue…
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                  The Mystery and Legacy of Joseph Papp’s Noble Gas Engine – Eugene F. Mallove
                  Infinite Energy Magazine – Issue 51 – http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue51/papp.html
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                  “If you thought that the saga of cold fusion was bizarre, labyrinthian, and astonishing with its mother-lode of unexpected findings— from nuclear-scale excess heat to the rebirth of alchemy in low-energy nuclear transmutation, discoveries alternately persecuted or ignored by the scientific establishment— the cold fusion adventure doesn’t hold a nuclear candle to the story of Joseph Papp and his noble gas engine. The Papp engine saga seems to have had its roots in the 1950s, but it only came into public view in 1968. And, strangely enough, there may well be an underlying physics that links elements of the two stories and their profoundly heretical science. Pathological skeptics of cold fusion— and perhaps some cold fusion researchers— may laugh at or recoil from this synthesis, but they will be treading on thin ice.
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                  But here is the ultimate triumph of the Papp engine: Today, ongoing research in the United States— totally independent of Papp and his former financial interests— has proved conclusively that noble gases, electrically triggered in various ways, can indeed explode with fantastic violence and energy release— melting metal parts and pushing pistons with large pressure pulses.
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                  Some of the people performing this work, or who have evaluated it, are from the cold fusion field, others are experienced plasma physicists. Some will allow their names to be revealed, while others in senior positions at major research institutions must remain anonymous for now. I am confident, however, that these scientists will eventually “go public.”

               3. Recently I learned that nanoplasmonics is the sister field to LENR, Martin Fleischmann has credit for works initiating each of these arts of science.

                  EARLY SURFACE PLASMARONS

                  “The Discovery of Surface-Enhanced Raman Scattering”
                  A. James McQuillan* – Department of Chemistry, University of OtagoDunedin 9054, New Zealand *Corresponding author (jmcquillan@chemistry.otago.ac.nz)

                  http://rsnr.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/63/1/105.full

                  This article contains a personal account of the sequence of events leading to the first observation of surface-enhanced Raman scattering (SERS) in 1973 in the Chemistry Department at Southampton University. The article begins with a concise explanation of SERS as understood today and ends with further developments that were stimulated by the discovery of SERS.

                  The first paper reporting the phenomenon was by Martin Fleischmann, Hendra and McQuillan6 in 1974, who observed surprisingly strong and potential-dependent Raman signals from pyridine adsorbed on a silver electrode that had been electrochemically roughened in potassium chloride aqueous electrolyte.

                  The discovery period

                  After a camping trip with my wife through European countries for several weeks in August, I returned to the experiments. On 30 August, after an afternoon and evening on the Cary (which was shared by a range of people over several groups), I noted ‘quite startling success’. In this case it was with the silver electrode in aqueous 0.05 mol dm−3 pyridine containing 0.1 mol dm−3 KCl using less than 100 mW of the 5145 Å laser line.

                  The pyridine concentration was chosen at 0.05 mol dm−3 so that the solution contribution to the Raman signal from near the surface would be small, while at the same time there were observable adsorption/desorption peaks in the cyclic voltammograms.

                  The next page of my notes is pretty bare of details, probably reflecting the excitement from the results, but the following was noted: ‘On electrode with no applied potential, bands at 1008 (2.4) broad, 1026 (3.0), and 1037 cm−1 (4.0), getting about 1000 counts s−1 on 1037 cm−1 band at 2 cm−1 slits—very sensitive.’

                  A subsequent afternoon and evening run of experiments on 4 September with the same system led to the results that were in due course reported in the 1974 paper in Chemical Physics Letters. The electrode roughening was performed in situ by cycling at 0.5 V s−1 between 0.3 V and +0.2 V (saturated calomel electrode as reference). I noted, ‘At 90 mW of 5145 Å got an incredible ∼5000 counts s−1 on the 1025 cm−1 band’.

                  At that stage, from the spectra and the dependence on potential, it seemed that the bands at 1008 and 1037 cm−1 were due to physisorbed pyridine, whereas that at 1025 cm−1 was from some chemisorbed species. We were well aware of the unusually large observed signals, and this was puzzling and unexplained.

                  Was an insoluble compound being formed at the surface that was more soluble on reduction?

                  Having a look over the wider spectrum we found that there were also adsorbed pyridine bands in the regions around 3060, 1210 and 650 cm−1 and a broad band peaking at 235 cm−1. I noted, ‘The first band of interest is the Ag-Py 235 cm−1 metal-ligand vibration. This appears to correlate with the 1025 cm−1 band.’

                  I gave a brief report of our observations to the Faraday Discussion on Intermediates in Electrochemical Reactions at Oxford on 19 September.17 Having established reasonable reproducibility with the Ag/pyridine system, we sought to establish the generality of the phenomenon in conducting experiments on silver with collidine, 3- and 4-methyl pyridine, and other amines as well as Pt/benzene. There were some encouraging signs for the rather insoluble collidine but nothing from the Pt/benzene system.

                  Martin, Pat and I met periodically to discuss the results and strategy.

                  These were lively meetings, rich with ideas, and a good deal of sifting was required at the end to sort out the best way forward.

                  We had one such meeting on 17 October from the morning through to after lunch, and Martin came up with the idea that the shifts in the physisorbed pyridine bands with potential might be due to electrode-surface water reorientation as the surface charge changes sign.

                  By early December, we had not found any major new experimental results, in spite of a number of ideas having been pursued, and began putting a paper together for Chemical Physics Letters. This was finally sent to David Buckingham on 21 February 1974 after considerable discussion over unresolved aspects, such as the unusually high observed Raman intensities. In the end no comment was included on the intensities.

                  The response from David Buckingham less than a week later was to say that the paper had been accepted and that ‘you appear to have found an interesting phenomenon’.

   2. Eugene Mallove on the Papp engine.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvni1yvGmxc

3. So NASA really needs a slide to show scientists what the parts of a plane are and what those parts do? Really? Does anyone else think that’s strange?

   And what’s an “unmanned ariel vehicle?”

   Wow.

4. I sincerely pleased that where that on base of the cold fusion nucleus syntheses already plan future his(its) using – a plane. in Russia cold fusion nucleus syntheses is considered by pseudoscience and any publications to this subjects are blocked academician of the science Russia. however me while it manages to publish in my book “Vihrony” physical bases of this phenomena by means of variable magnetic and gravitation monopoles. the opened possibilities allow not only to produce the additional energy for count of the fission of the internal energy of the convertor, but also reveal the secret an L. de Broyl “fur coats” moving микрочастиц and condensed klusters material and, in particular, secret of the effect Janibecova. this will allow not only to do new plane, but and cosmik it. Doctor Shadrin A.A.

5. We have yet to develop a LENR powered automobile and yet we are off on a quest to put a LENR into an airplane?? I find this to be theoretical at best. Consistent LENR results from a commercial reactor would assuage my doubts about the viability of such a scheme. I would like to see a LENR powering a house before I would put it into a moving object flying at 10,000 meters.

   1. I would like to see LENR powering a house as well. We may see battle platforms powered by LENR well before that. The atom bomb was deployed before nuclear powered homes.
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      Consider that NASA, DARPA, and SPAWAR, have been doing a good job (as they all should). Stated mission of each is to ensure that the US maintains technological superiority of energy applications (like landing on the moon). Nuclear holds emminence i.e. atom bomb, nuclear power subs, deep space probes, Manhattan Project, etc.
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      Quote from the Defence Intelligence Agency, which reports to the President and Joint Chiefs of Staff,
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      “LENR will be a greater transformation of the battlefield than the conversion from horses to gasoline”
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      Future Strategic Issues/Future Warfare [Circa 2025] Dennis Bushnell – http://fedgeno.com/documents/future-strategic-issues-and-warfare.pdf
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      Yes, I agree. Our homes and cars should be powered by the energetics of nuclear LENR, before powering battleplatforms and weapons. Our opinion does not matter to the military industrial oil conglomerates.
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      Thank You

6. Greg, You have done a bang up job. You might shine a little brighter light on the space plane business. It seems as if they have tipped their hand. Good work bud. Why hasn’t 60 Minutes done a piece on the seedling 2014 spaceplanes? Oooooooh!

   Paul

7. A must read for a clear perspective on the issue…
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   “The Mystery and Legacy of Joseph Papp’s Noble Gas Engine” Eugene F. Mallove
   Infinite Energy Magazine – Issue 51 – http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue51/papp.html
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   If you thought that the saga of cold fusion was bizarre, labyrinthian, and astonishing with its mother-lode of unexpected findings— from nuclear-scale excess heat to the rebirth of alchemy in low-energy nuclear transmutation, discoveries alternately persecuted or ignored by the scientific establishment— the cold fusion adventure doesn’t hold a nuclear candle to the story of Joseph Papp and his noble gas engine. The Papp engine saga seems to have had its roots in the 1950s, but it only came into public view in 1968. And, strangely enough, there may well be an underlying physics that links elements of the two stories and their profoundly heretical science. Pathological skeptics of cold fusion— and perhaps some cold fusion researchers— may laugh at or recoil from this synthesis, but they will be treading on thin ice.
   .
   But here is the ultimate triumph of the Papp engine: Today, ongoing research in the United States— totally independent of Papp and his former financial interests— has proved conclusively that noble gases, electrically triggered in various ways, can indeed explode with fantastic violence and energy release— melting metal parts and pushing pistons with large pressure pulses. Some of the people performing this work, or who have evaluated it, are from the cold fusion field, others are experienced plasma physicists.”

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