David J. Nagel interview on Ca$h Flow : “LENR global impact will be historic”

James Martinez hosted LENR researcher David J. Nagel on his Ca$h Flow show Thursday, September 1. Go to the Achieve Radio Ca$h Flow archives to listen, or, download the .mp3 directly from Cold Fusion Radio page.

In the hour long conversation, Nagel talked about a new company, Nucat Energy, LLC, formed specifically to teach workshops and seminars on cold fusion for academics, industry, and researchers. They will be conducting their first short course on LENR entitled Perspectives on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions the weekend of October 3 and 4 in Crystal City, Virginia, near Washington DC.
[See Nucat Energy website]

NUCATIf you want to participate in this new industry, there are other ways to learn about this science. According to Nagel, “you can read a few thousand [scientific] papers, you can find and talk to experts in the field, or you can hire consultants”, but this short, two-day course is designed “to be a cost effective way to get up-to-speed in the field”.

While they won’t have a working device there at the two-day seminar, “It’s soup to nuts, from fundamentals all the way up to current activities”, says Dr. Nagel.

Nucat, a “mash-up of the names nuclear and atom“, will provide lectures, talks, and access to the heavy-weights in LENR research. You’ll get to network with those in the field as well as the other attendees. At this time, current registrants for this first course include at least two investors.

Why now? “There’s just alot of interest”, says Nagel. “If this first go-around works out, the course will run about every six months in other locations. Twenty participants and they’ll break even, but “I’m not after the money, I’m after the educational part of this field”.

James remarked how “it is a different world today versus quite some time ago when I interviewed my first guest on this subject matter; now with Rossi on the map, the interest level has gone up 100% from what it used to be, because now it’s not an if, it’s a when situation. Are you open to people who want to show up who are investors, that want to get into this business?”

Nagel replied, “You know when you look at this field, the science is still wide-open, it is simply not understood what’s going on here. There are some people saying it’s entirely nuclear, some people saying it’s not at all nuclear, some people say it’s a mix of both. There are people saying it’s occurring on surfaces, people say it’s surfaces in bulk. I could go on, but the point is it’s wide-open science.”

“When you go from science knowledge to technology and capability, there are things separate from Rossi that are emerging, I think of Mitch Swartz‘ experiments from Jet Energy in Boston – you know he makes things move using energy from this. These technologies may or may not be important, and if they are, then they’re going to be developed. You said it well, when you said things are very different now. Rossi’s just put this whole thing on fast-forward.”

“The reality is, while there’s immensely more interest, it still hasn’t hit the major media, the New York Times, Time magazine, things like that. If Rossi does what he is planning to do, namely run a 1 Megawatt source for a couple of months, then, it is going to be big news.”

“You look back in history, 40 some days after the Fleischmann/Pons announcement 23rd of March in 1989, the covers of Time, Newsweek, and US News and World Report I think it was, all had cold fusion on them. It could be a repeat of that if Rossi comes through.”

“Now meanwhile, as you undoubtedly know, I don’t know if your listeners do, there’s competition. You know the name Piantelli, he’s a professor of physics at University of Sienna in Italy and he started doing experiments on the nickel-hydrogen system which is what Rossi uses; that’s to be distinguished from the palladium-deuterium electro-chemical system that Fleischmann and Pons and many others use.”

“Piantelli started using the nickel-hydrogen gas-loading system in the early nineties, and he worked on it for a while. He was joined by Focardi. I remember one paper they produced that they got 40-50 Watts excess heat.”

“Then you move still further down the line, Focardi of course is allied now with Rossi, and if you listen to interviews with these guys on the web, I kid around by saying it’s like an Italian opera! Now, I don’t mean to denigrate them in saying that, but Piantelli says ‘I wish I hadn’t told Focardi so much’, Focardi says ‘I don’t know what Rossi has’ and Rossi say’s ‘I’m not telling anybody!'”

“Let me emphasize, I am not denigrating them, I have respect for all of them. They are very, very different, but nevertheless, when you look at things coldly, from the viewpoint of an investor, Rossi is the one whose getting the play. But meanwhile Piantelli is setting up a company to produce devices. I’ve heard various renditions of its name, I’m not going to say – I don’t know what’s right for the name of Piantelli’s company. But in any event, I basically like that because competition in a field like this is healthy.”

“Everybody wins. If they pace each other to do better jobs, that is, to produce equipment that is – you can fill in the blanks, more manufacturable, more reliable, more maintainable, etc, all the “-ilities” – manufacturability, liability, and so forth, that’s good.”

“But the neat thing is there’s plenty of action in this. There are so many applications of this technology that everybody can win.”

“I have a very deeply held and almost philosophical viewpoint. If you could use these sources to produce clean water, not only de-salination, but also the clean-up of dirty river water, think of the Ganges for instance, there are a billion+ people in this world who don’t have clean drinking water, and of course with it, have all kinds of health problems.”

“Imagine we’re twenty years down the road, and LENR sources, I use that instead of cold fusion as you know, and these low-energy nuclear reaction sources turn out to be reliable and small enough you can distribute them in a village and make clean water, the medical impact would be historic.”

“In fact when I get a little carried away and wonder if they couldn’t be in the same class as antibiotics and vaccines in terms of the impact on the world’s population.”

“I’m certainly interested in the possibility of heating homes, later producing electricity in a distributed fashion, not using a big central power plant, not burdening the grid. But the thing that most appeals to me in the larger sense is the possibility of making clean water.”

James then dropped the big one: did he know what Mr. Rossi’s formula was?

Nagel responded “I’ve seen his technology but I don’t know at all what his secret is. Now I’ve read the speculation, I have my own suspicions, but no, I am not on the inside of that loop and I don’t know anybody who is.”

“He undoubtedly, if he’s going to manufacture over 300 of these units to put them together to make the megawatt source next month, next month!, he must have engineers and technicians who actually understand what’s going into it, but I’m not in the know.”

“If I may, he calls them E-Cat, Energy Catalyzer, and the word ‘catalyzer’ is extraordinarily interesting. I mean you can’t catalyze nuclear reactions. The reason you can’t is because you can’t make the Coulomb barrier go away with some magic formula.”

“Well what can you catalyze? Why does he call it E-Cat? There are only two things that come to my mind is the splitting of H2 into its atomic atoms, H2 to two H’s. But that’s routine, that’s done in the petroleum and plastics industry all the time. Well what else?”

“Maybe he catalyzes the production of an environment that is necessary for LENR. But again, I have no idea. I hope to live long enough to learn it!”

Nagel is seeking permission to teach a graduate course next year at George Washington University, where he is a research professor, “set in the context of current perspectives in nuclear energy”, which would include LENR.

“It’s not a full course in LENR, it’s going to include fission energy and the prospects for fusion energy. Now, fusion energy is half-a-century off and yet it’s still getting, in round numbers, a quarter-of-a-billion dollars of funding in the US. There’s a 20 billion dollar experiment being built in the south of France for hot fusion, so those things need attention – to be fair to the students, frankly.”

“If I tried to offer a course entirely on LENR, which is not really in homes yet, not really an existing field of engineering and commerce, then I would probably get frowned on, but if I offer part of a course, then it works…”

“If it turns out that LENR goes the way many of us hope, that Rossi is successful, Piantelli is successful, one or the other, or both, and you start having [?] that you can buy, then it will be a no-brainer to offer a full course on it.”

Asked about the current attitude of scientists, and if it’s changed since Mr. Rossi’s discovery, inspiring them more, Dr. Nagel responded with

“I would say it’s not so much inspired scientists as investors. There’s a fellow whose involved with this, his name is PJ Keane, an Irishman, with a company called Re Research, and he said once you know something can be done, it’s a different situation, it’s a qualitatively different situation. That does attract different people to jump in. I’m aware of a few startups that haven’t announced yet that are essentially getting into position to join this march, if you will.”

The conversation turned to the serious business of the business of LENR.

James Martinez But here’s the thing, where the rubber meets the road, it’s that people with money, that have thrown money into R&D for all sorts of stuff, which in many cases goes nowhere, and people throwing money into cold fusion, the first question is, who owns it, is this patent pending? Why aren’t they patenting to make this attractive to investors? They bump full-stop regarding the ownership of this.

David Nagel You’ve got it exactly right. In the US, the Department of Commerce Patent and Trademark Office refuses to consider patents in this area.”

James Martinez If you don’t have the Patent Office agreeing to move this forwards, what’s the point?

David Nagel It’s an unsolved problem, and it’s a key problem. Now I have an attitude that some people don’t like and that is the Patent and Trademark Office issues a lot of worthless patents, and that’s not because they’re incompetent or anything, it’s just the nature of the business. People get a patent and it never goes anywhere. I’ve done it myself!

So, in a situation, where you inevitably have some patents that are not valuable, what do you lose by granting some patents in an area that has at least a chance of producing safe, clean, green, distributed nuclear power sources, and starting a new industry.

And just to take that a step further, there are several government agencies that have mission responsibility, the Department of Energy to make energy sources, the DoD which is a major user, the National Science Foundation in knowledge generation, The Environmental Protection Agency, and the Department of Commerce, specifically the Patent and Trademark Office, and there’s just a dribble of work in the DOD, but the DOE, the EPA, the NSF, and the Patent and Trademark Office are not discharging their responsibilities to the US taxpayer.

James Martinez This is the real issue to me. Who are these guys taking their orders from?

David Nagel I think I understand it along the following lines. I’ve talked to staffers in the office of the Vice-President, the Speaker of the House, several Congressman, several Senators, I’ve been in the Executive Department and all, universally, in one way of phrasing it or another, the people are saying ‘Dave, we’re not scientists. This is a scientific issue, have the science committee look at it.’

“I say, OK fine, where’s the national brain trust? You have the National Academy of Science, National Academy of Engineering and the medical equivalent, the National Institute of Medicine,and they have the National Research Council, which does studies, and they’re very good studies, I’ve participated in some of them.”

“So somebody in the government wants a study done, they pay, I’m guessing, a couple million to the National Research Council and they organize a good group of people and conduct reviews and write a very well-organized and scrubbed report.”

“So I got in touch, I wrote a letter to the appropriate person in the National Research Council, and never got an answer back. I’ve got all these people distributed throughout the government, saying hey have the scientific community look at that. I go to a high enough level in the nation so that statements made by that level, the National Research Council, would be valued and actionable, and I can’t even get in the door to talk to them. I’m not selling them anything, I’m not asking for money. I’m just trying to inform them.”

James talked about a recently declassified document that claimed ‘the US wanted to lead the world’ in this area.

“The patent situation is a global situation. So what we have in the US is one thing, and I must interject, there are a few patents in this area that have been granted for odd reasons. But when you look at things globally, Piantelli has a patent, I think another patent application in Italy, Rossi has got applications I think in Europe as well, I’m not absolutely sure, it’s not the US, that I know of anyway.”

“We could get into a situation, we’re largely in it already, where this technology coming out as it did from the US, attracts defensible patents abroad that essentially mean we’re in a lose-lose situation. We don’t have the IP, the Intellectual Property, and therefore we don’t have the manufacturing base.”

“One of the nice things, you mentioned along the way about Rossi in Florida, and he is very much for the US. He is living in the US, he wants to stay in the US. I view that with an element of relief. So it could be, as a sort of an oddity, an accident, the intellectual property mess notwithstanding, that the US does not completely lose the ball here.”

James announced “Money is not the issue anymore. There’s loads of it ready to spend on this; now, today, ready to go. It’s the bureaucracy and a clogged up legal system that is stopping this. I know people that could do it, and are ready to do it, and they’re stopping cold. Investors are wondering, who’s going to own this?” James continued, “It’s a weird bizarre catch-22 situation. And everything stops in the tracks.”

“You mentioned something that is hopeful, and that is the possibility of a new nuclear industry. You know, if that happens, we’re going to have to educate a workforce to design, manufacture, install and maintain and, .. these managers, engineers, sales people and so forth. So it’s one of those things where the situation may just run over the Patent Office, for instance, where they get to a point where it is widely recognized, not only in the public but in Congress, that they are not doing their jobs in ignoring this area. Once that happens, then they’ll flip around and proceed reasonably, but that should’ve happened a long time ago.”

James then asked, “how long would it take in years to integrate this technology into our lives and businesses?”

“If you asked me that question a year ago, that is before Rossi burst on the scene, I would’ve said …eh… ten years, something like that, and now, I think I can say a few years, maybe a couple even. If Rossi demonstrates this megawatt source, makes a significant amount of money to essentially profit from what he’s done, then he, or the new American company Ampenergo, or the Greek company Defkalion, if they can start selling individual units, you know a few kilowatt units for use in homes or small factories and so forth, then it’s fast forward. It could happen.”

“Once it’s for sale, and if Rossi can make 330 of them, each with a sensor and a control element so that he can turn it up if one sags, and turn one down if it starts to get too hot, and put them in a box, and run them for an extended period of time, then he can make individual units and sell them. It’s a matter of will.”

“There’s a very vigorous argument about why isn’t he going at this from the low end and building up to the high end, the megawatt level, rather than jumping in at that [high power] level, and I don’t know, it’s undoubtedly a business decision. In any event, I say that if this integrated system works, I am quite confident myself that the small units, the individual units within it, will work as stand alone items.”

When asked if his primarily application interest is clean water, Dr. Nagel replied,

“Yes, and again I say it’s for almost a morality issue. Aids medicines are sold in Africa at reduced prices. What if we could sell into Africa and Bangladesh and bunch of other places, E-Cat or other LENR units at favorable prices, assuming that they are as they promise: safe, reliable, green, then it would be a dramatic thing. You know, you charge full price to the good folks in Orange County, but let’s give the folks in Botswana a break.”

“You still make money on it, don’t get me wrong, I’m not talking about charity. I’m talking about a pricing structure that would help ensure that this technology is not just another technology, but it has an opportunity for beneficial impacts that go literally global.”

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Sterling Allan on Ca$h Flow: “It’s an act of revolution to support free energy”

Cold fusion is no longer a maybe-possibly-probably not-junk- science. It is now real and it is emerging into the marketplace and we will see the first 1 MW power plant coming in mid-October of this year which will be producing 300,000 units per year. And that’s just starting. And so this is a great opportunity for people to get involved in a technology that can completely revolutionize the planet energy wise and get us off our dependence on fossil fuels.” –Sterling Allan

James Martinez Live had a surprise guest on last Tuesday, April 26 on his Cash-Flow show, when Sterling Allan swooped in for a visit. He is the man behind Pure Energy Systems, the yellow pages of new energy researchers. Allan has also formed the New Energy Congress, whose purpose is “to provide quorum review of leading technology claims, to assess viability and prioritize; then facilitate advancement”. His PESWiki allows for contribution by members of the new energy community.

Pure Energy Systems has a “Top Five Exotic Free Energy Technologies” listing of breakthrough technologies that got the attention of Gerald Celente, and made it into the Trends Journal 2011. Andrea A. Rossi’s Cold Fusion Generator is number one.

In the effort to move minds into action, and instigate the public to demand cold fusion, James Martinez began by stating flatly “It’s really up to you, the public to…vote for your children’s future … and liberate yourself.” This is aligned with Sterling Allan’s plea to “hound your representatives and tell them there are solutions. Stop saying they are not [any]!” Their hour-long conversation exposed what solutions to our energy crisis look like.

Listen to the full hour and download .mp3 on our Audio page.

A few highlights are transcribed below. In one exchange, James asked Sterling about the nature of implementing new technology into the current paradigm, and he lamented the bureaucracy that gets in the way of both scientists and students who want to study cold fusion. Sterling responded:

It really is amazing to see how the role of politics in science can really stifle the development of science. Scientists, we would like to think, are really open-minded; something new comes along, they’re going to embrace it, they’re going to be excited about it, but in practice , the old Not-Invented-Here syndrome gets really really tight. If the scientist didn’t come up with it, if it wasn’t first published in some scientific journal, gone through the rigamaroll that they’d like it to go through, boy …. and that’s what we specialize in: when something makes the professor’s eyebrows raise, that’s when we start getting interested.

He also recited a proverb posted on his website:

He who is one-step ahead is a genius.
He who is two-steps ahead is a crackpot.

When Sterling presented that to an audience in Estonia, somebody in the audience quipped, “He who is one-step behind, is the government.”

Then he added academia to the that same equation with “academia is so bureaucratic now, they are as bad as the government in stifling innovation.”

Listeners to the archive will enjoy the strange protracted silence, right before James comes back and relates his experience with a high school student who wanted to be a cold fusion scientist and James was setting up a cold fusion scientist to go and visit him at school. However, the young man’s school thwarted the effort. James then reminded us, “Learning institutions are supposed to be open-forums for discussion.”

Two years ago, prompted by the Navy’s research which was “basically saying cold fusion was real”, Sterling started a collection of positive reports on cold fusion that were printed in mainstream news and scientific journals around the world, “all basically announcing that cold fusion should be taken seriously.” [See this bit of presentation here on Youtube.]

You think that would mark the turning point in the scientific world, that now we would start taking cold fusion seriously. But no, that wasn’t the case.

To this day, even with this Rossi cold fusion happening, if you go to academia and you say cold fusion with a straight face, you’ll be laughed at as a crackpot; it’s still junk science, because of politics, not science.

James responded with some practical advice for young people in these lean financial times. “Forget the schools. Learn it yourself.”

The conversation inevitably touched on the lack of funding in cold fusion research. Sterling Allan responded:

I learned a long time ago to not even glance at the government for any kind of leadership when it comes to this stuff. I go to the private sector. It’s the private sector that you get the receptive ears and you get the people that are excited. You get a phone call from somebody from NASA every once in a while that’s interested. You’ll get a cloaked email from somebody from some academic institution that’s kind of contacting you on the side, or on the sly so to speak.

But there are a lot of people that are supportive of these technologies and they are moving forward. The momentum is on our side.

We are moving into a state where we will lose our dependence on a central authority and we will gain our independence energy-wise, so that each house will have its own power device, each vehicle will have it’s own power generator so you won’t have to stop for fuel, it’s pulling energy from the inexhaustible sources all around us.

James remarked that this technology of the gentle green giant nuclear power from water will “liberate humanity from the dependency on these oil companies and BP spilling hundreds of millions of gallons and getting away with…it’s an end to that.”

Later, Sterling echoed the responsibility of the current energy corporations in the current lack of vision in our energy technology:

We need to shame the energy industry in the United States, and probably elsewhere in the world, not as bad in Europe as it is in the United States. The United States is almost the worst case scenario when it comes to energy. They are supporting the wrong horse and suppressing the right horses.

If you look at industry in general, the amount of money industry spends from their budget on research and development is 3.1%.

On the other hand, industries like communications, they spend 26% on research and development, software spends 15%, pharmaceuticals is like 14%.

He then turned the tables and asked James if he knew what percentage of their budget the energy industry spends on research and development. A tiny 0.3% was the answer!

The entire energy industry in the US spends 0.3% of their budget on research and development — a shockingly low number.

“An order of magnitude lower than the industry average! Energy is so important…..we have to start spending our research and development money on new ideas. There are plenty of places to put that money, I promise you that,” Sterling said.

At the start of the second half of the show, James announced he had spoken with Andrea Rossi earlier in the day about an interview, but Mr. Rossi declined at this time, and all the way through October. He’s too busy working on his Energy Catalyzer (E-Cat) with his company Defkalion Green Technologies.

“They will be building 300 smaller, officially-rated 2.5 Kw reactors”. The reactor chamber is 50 cubic centimeters — 3.2 cubic inches. Then he characterized Andrea Rossi’s discovery as finding the catalyst to the nickel-hydrogen reaction, or the additive to the nickel powder. (In subsequent correspondence, Sterling (via his associate Hank Mills) added that: Andrea Rossi replaced the nickel rods or wires used in other Ni-H Cold Fusion experiments with nano-nickel powder, which greatly enhanced the surface area of the nickel. More surface area resulted in more sites at which the hydrogen could react. By combining this nano-nickel powder with two undisclosed elements (which he calls the catalyst) the fusion reaction was further enhanced.)

Addressing the cost issue for the average home user, Sterling noted that “a 2.5 Kw solar system would cover both roofs”. And Rossi’s device might cost “somewhere in the low thousands.”

“But an easier number people can relate to is cents per kilowatt-hour. Where I live [in Utah, US] we probably have the cheapest at 4 cents a Kwh wholesale”, he said. “Rossi cold fusion will deliver for 1 cent per Kw, one-quarter of the price“. He did add that the first applications would be in creating heating systems, and a turbine added to make the electricity would initially add to the cost.

He reminded listeners that though cold fusion is a nuclear process, there is no radioactive materials used, and there is no radioactive waste to get rid of. Mr. Sterling continued the good news throughout the interview.

The coming year is going to be phenomenal in terms of the emergence of breakthrough energy technologies, clean energy technologies, affordable, portable…there’s a lot of stuff breaking out, this is one of them. This (cold fusion) is number one in our top five on our homepage of http://freeenergynews.com. This is our top one, but it is not the only one that’s to emerge this year. Some are expected to emerge even before this one.

This technology, from what I understand, is really quite simple to implement. It is something that could be licensed by a large number of manufacturers around the world and deployed very rapidly to create jobs and infrastructure that goes along with those jobs and all the various iterations of this. There’s going to be a lot of research and development that will need to go into making this stable for transportation, for example.

When we talk about nuclear, we think of Fukushima and we think of disaster, and we think ‘Oh my gosh, I don’t want that in my yard, let alone my garage’, but this is very different even though this is a nuclear reaction, if this was suddenly … a catastrophe happened, let’s say you were hit by a meteorite in your garage, and it smashed right into your cold fusion reactor, nothing would happen.

You don’t have radioactive elements leaking into the environment, you don’t have some big explosion taking place, it doesn’t runaway, it just stops. That’s all…

…Alternative energy can be our savior economically if we get on this fast enough, and the sooner we get on this, the more of a remedy it will be … and Gerald Celente actually predicted in his 2011 Trends Journal in January that 2011 would see the emergence, and he specifically mentioned Rossi’s cold fusion technology, that there’s going to be a breakthrough energy technology to come along that will be as big as the invention of the wheel or the discovery of fire in terms of its transformation capability for the human race.

Think of it this way. When people are able to do what they’re good at and what they want to do, they are 7 times more productive than when they’re working for somebody else doing something they hate, especially if they are slaves to a system, and they’re on fluoride, and they’re not thinking straight. When they become independent and they think for themselves and they’re doing something they love, they are 7 times more productive.

So when people are given power, a device that can power their house in the garage, and they’re no longer dependent on a central authority, and they’re able to pursue their dreams, we’re going to see prosperity like never before. We will see an end to war. We will see an end to poverty. We will see an end to so many of the problems that plague this planet. And that’s why these bastards don’t want to see free energy emerge because it empowers the individual. It’s power to the people…

….It’s an act of revolution to support free energy, and today’s generation that does so will be the heroes of the coming generation.

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James Martinez on Coast to Coast AM – Tonite!

An Earth Day Special Alert! Live on Coast to Coast AM with George Knapp Cold Fusion Now’s own James Martinez. Listen live at 1AM Eastern, 10PM Pacific at the Coast to Coast AM show website. Almost now!

Open lines – phone in your questions and comments LIVE.

Listen to James NOW here.
Find a station in the US, Canada, and Virgin Islands here.

James has conducted interviews with scientists involved in cold fusion research on his Cash-flow show, which you can download and listen to on the Cold Fusion Now audio page.

In the latest interview, James hosted Dr. Edmund Storms, just back from a conference held by the International Society for Condensed Matter Nuclear Science, where they discussed the latest findings in low-energy nuclear reactions, a two-decade old science that is just about to emerge as a technology.

In this Earth Day exclusive, James will talk with host George Knapp about a newly emerging energy technology that will change the way we exist on this planet: cold fusion, a nuclear power generated by water.

That’s right – water. Converting the hydrogen in water into energy, an ultra-clean nuclear power is generated, with no radioactive materials, and no radioactive waste.

Our Earth is precious, and the life that exists on it fragile.

Make your commitment to work for the good of humankind and all life that exists on this planet, to strive to better ourselves, and honor the wildlife, the oceans, the sky, and all who call this unique world home.

James’ interview with Jan Marwan :

“Start talking wherever you are, in your family, at work, when you’re in governmental institutions, start talking. The more you talk about this topic, the more you raise it, the more you involve other people, …you know… it spread’s like a virus!”

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The Water Cycle — NASA Earth Observatory

Dr. Robert Duncan on James Martinez’ Cash-Flow this Thursday.

Dr. Robert Duncan will be interviewed on James Martinez’ Cash-Flow show this Thursday, February 3, 2011 at 12:00PM Pacific time (20:00 UT).

Tune in and listen live at Cash-flow on Achieve Radio. Flash-message your questions in for Dr. Duncan, or listen later on the Archives.

Download the full interview on the Cold Fusion Now Audio page after broadcast.

Dr. Robert Duncan is the Vice Chancellor for Research at University of Missouri. He was recruited by CBS 60 mins to investigate the claims of cold fusion technology as developed by the private company Energetics Technologies, and which resulted in the April 2009 television broadcast of Cold fusion: More than Junk Science.

Originally a skeptic, after his investigation, he realized “Wow, they’ve done something very interesting here…. I found that the work done, was carefully done, and that the excess heat, as I see it now, is quite real.”

Clearly, Dr. Duncan saw the importance of developing this science as he subsequently brought Energetics Technologies to the University of Missouri’s Business Incubator Park and set them up in a freshly funded lab.

Here’s a talk by Dr. Duncan at the UM 2009 Energy Summit speaking about his experience investigating cold fusion using deuterium and palladium.
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While cautioning the public against “speculating wildly” and getting their hopes up about new technological solutions before the science is even understood, he says to those who would deny this new kind of science as worthy of study, “Read the published results. Talk to the scientists. Never let anybody else do your thinking for you.”